List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II

Kellan Sullivan

ordinarylittleme said:
Besides, this is still Edward VIII...his female counterpart having a string of affairs with married men (or women, if we want more scandal - an openly bisexual Princess Royal in the 20th century would cause apoplexy for George V, I dare say...) instead of settling down would likely make her seen as unsuitable marriage material anyway...
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uh...why- better still how- given female education of the period (compare what the Queen Mother had, for instance)- would any daughter of George V and Queen Mary turn out like Edward VIII?
 

Kellan Sullivan

BoleynBuff said:
What? If anything, her behavior would speed up her marriage in an attempt to “tie her down” and cover up the scandals.
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agreed. Especially given that this is...oh...the future queen of England? Victoria's whole unmarried period lasted all of three years. While I could see a "near miss" the first time around (à la Princess Margaret with Peter), they're not going to risk a second one
 

Nova_Philomena

Prompt: Jane Seymour lives.

Jane Seymour (b. 1509 d. 1571) m. Henry VIII of England (b. 1491 d. 1547)
  1. Edward VI of England (b. 1537 d. 1567) [1] m. Elisabeth of Valois (b. 1546 d. 1568)
    1. Henry IX of England (b. 1567 d. 1623) m. Marie Elisabeth of Valois (b. 1572 d. 1634) [2]
  2. Jane of England (b. 1538 d. 1600) m. Frederick II of Denmark (b. 1534 d. 1588)
    1. Frederick III of Denmark (b. 1555 d. 1610) m. Elisabeth of Saxony (b. 1552 d. 1581) and Sophie of Brandenburg (b. 1568 d. 1622)
    2. Dorothea of Denmark (b. 1556 d. 1604) m. Christian I, Elector of Saxony (b. 1560 d. 1591)
    3. Stillborn Daughter (b. 1557 d. 1557)
    4. Christian of Denmark, Prince-Bishop of Schwerin (b. 1558 d. 1629)
    5. Augusta of Denmark (b. 1560 d. 1604) m. Henry Julius, Duke of Brunswick-Luneberg (b. 1564 d. 1613)
    6. John of Denmark (b. 1561 d. 1570)
    7. Anna of Denmark (b. 1566 d. 1621) m. James VI of Scotland (b. 1566 d. 1625)
  3. Margaret of England (b. 1539 d. 1545) [3]
  4. Edmund Tudor, Duke of York (b. 1540 d. 1597) m. Margaret Fiennes, 11th Baroness Dacre (b. 1541 d. 1612)
    1. Henry Tudor, 2nd Duke of York (b. 1558 d. 1629) m. Elizabeth Stafford (b. 1556 d. 1599)
    2. Jane of York (b. 1560 d. 1602) m. Charles Brandon, 4th Duke of Suffolk (b. 1556 d. 1601) [4]
[1] He lives a bit longer and marries Elisabeth of Valois, the daughter of Henry II of France and Catherine de' Medici. He dies a few months before the birth of his son, Henry IX of England who is put under the regency of his uncle, Edmund Tudor, Duke of York.
[2] Daughter of Charles IX of France and Elisabeth of Austria. She is born with a twin brother and her parents would live longer to have more children.
[3] I know Henry VIII didn't have the best relationship with Margaret Tudor, but I don't know what else to name her, so yeah.
[4] Son of a surviving Charles Brandon, 3rd Duke of Suffolk and an heiress.
 

Dragonboy

Nova_Philomena said:
Prompt: Jane Seymour lives.

Jane Seymour (b. 1509 d. 1571) m. Henry VIII of England (b. 1491 d. 1547)
  1. Edward VI of England (b. 1537 d. 1567) [1] m. Elisabeth of Valois (b. 1546 d. 1568)
    1. Henry IX of England (b. 1567 d. 1623) m. Marie Elisabeth of Valois (b. 1572 d. 1634) [2]
  2. Jane of England (b. 1538 d. 1600) m. Frederick II of Denmark (b. 1534 d. 1588)
    1. Frederick III of Denmark (b. 1555 d. 1610) m. Elisabeth of Saxony (b. 1552 d. 1581) and Sophie of Brandenburg (b. 1568 d. 1622)
    2. Dorothea of Denmark (b. 1556 d. 1604) m. Christian I, Elector of Saxony (b. 1560 d. 1591)
    3. Stillborn Daughter (b. 1557 d. 1557)
    4. Christian of Denmark, Prince-Bishop of Schwerin (b. 1558 d. 1629)
    5. Augusta of Denmark (b. 1560 d. 1604) m. Henry Julius, Duke of Brunswick-Luneberg (b. 1564 d. 1613)
    6. John of Denmark (b. 1561 d. 1570)
    7. Anna of Denmark (b. 1566 d. 1621) m. James VI of Scotland (b. 1566 d. 1625)
  3. Margaret of England (b. 1539 d. 1545) [3]
  4. Edmund Tudor, Duke of York (b. 1540 d. 1597) m. Margaret Fiennes, 11th Baroness Dacre (b. 1541 d. 1612)
    1. Henry Tudor, 2nd Duke of York (b. 1558 d. 1629) m. Elizabeth Stafford (b. 1556 d. 1599)
    2. Jane of York (b. 1560 d. 1602) m. Charles Brandon, 4th Duke of Suffolk (b. 1556 d. 1601) [4]
[1] He lives a bit longer and marries Elisabeth of Valois, the daughter of Henry II of France and Catherine de' Medici. He dies a few months before the birth of his son, Henry IX of England who is put under the regency of his uncle, Edmund Tudor, Duke of York.
[2] Daughter of Charles IX of France and Elisabeth of Austria. She is born with a twin brother and her parents would live longer to have more children.
[3] I know Henry VIII didn't have the best relationship with Margaret Tudor, but I don't know what else to name her, so yeah.
[4] Son of a surviving Charles Brandon, 3rd Duke of Suffolk and an heiress.
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Great tree! Idea: William III and Mary II have a son
 

Nova_Philomena

ordinarylittleme said:
I think he'd be likelier for MQOS - he's not going to bring Scotland to union with England and is of the perfect age for her
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I think the Auld Alliance required Mary to marry into France. Marie d'Guise was regent of Scotland and we all know how she felt about the Tudors.

Arran was also regent, but his loyalties were also to France (Considering he owned land there)
 

Nova_Philomena

Dragonboy said:
Personal union with england, MASSIVE proftis later in colonization
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Mary II of England (b. 1662 d. 1694) m. William III of England (b. 1650 d. 1702)
  1. William IV of Great Britain (b. 1682 d. 1720) m. Princess Hedvig Sophia of Sweden (b. 1681 d. 1708)
  2. Mary of England (b. 1683 d. 1722)
William declares Great Britain ITL.
 

Dragonboy

Nova_Philomena said:
Mary II of England (b. 1662 d. 1694) m. William III of England (b. 1650 d. 1702)
  1. William IV of Great Britain (b. 1682 d. 1720) m. Princess Hedvig Sophia of Sweden (b. 1681 d. 1708)
  2. Mary of England (b. 1683 d. 1722)
William declares Great Britain ITL.
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Great work: another one, Charlotte of wales survives (daughter of george IV)
 

isabella

Nova_Philomena said:
I think the Auld Alliance required Mary to marry into France. Marie d'Guise was regent of Scotland and we all know how she felt about the Tudors.

Arran was also regent, but his loyalties were also to France (Considering he owned land there)
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No. A second son of Henry VIII would be a perfect choice for Mary Stewart’s husband. And the OTL Scottish objections to the match were all tied to the fact who marrying g their infant Queen to Henry VIII’s heir was not a good idea as England was intent to subjugate Scotland. But if the treaty of Greenwich established a match between Mary and Henry VIII’s younger son is likely who the Scottish parliament would ratify it (and Edmund of York, simply in virtue of being a second son, would be a better match for Mary than Dauphin Francis)
 

Nova_Philomena

isabella said:
No. A second son of Henry VIII would be a perfect choice for Mary Stewart’s husband. And the OTL Scottish objections to the match were all tied to the fact who marrying g their infant Queen to Henry VIII’s heir was not a good idea as England was intent to subjugate Scotland. But if the treaty of Greenwich established a match between Mary and Henry VIII’s younger son is likely who the Scottish parliament would ratify it (and Edmund of York, simply in virtue of being a second son, would be a better match for Mary than Dauphin Francis)
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Would Arran or Marie d'Guise allow it so?
 

Nova_Philomena

isabella said:
Arran had signed the treaty of Greenwich OTL (and had everything to gain from such deal as his son was to marry Elizabeth Tudor) and Marie also would have little choice in the matter as she would not have a better alternative
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Lizzie will probably end up with a more sane Eric Vasa ITL.
 
kasumigenx

kasumigenx

Henry IV of France marries Arabella Stuart due to the Auld Alliance
Henry IV of France m. Arabella Stuart(a)

1a. Louis XIII of France b. 1601

2a. Elizabeth b. 1602

3a. Matilde b. 1606

4a. James b. 1607

5a. Gaston b. 1609

6a. Henriette b. 1610
 

Andrewtsal

Nicholas Henri, Duke of Orleans does not suffer from hydrocephalus and ascends to the throne after Louis XIII dies in the late 1620s before siring an heir.
  • Henry V, King of France (b. 1607, d. 1672) m. Marie de Bourbon, Duchess of Montpensier (b. 1605, d. 1668)
    • Louis XIV, King of France (b. 1627, d. 1699) m. Mary, Princess Royal of England and Scotland (b. 1631, d. 1680)
    • Marie, Princess of France (b. 1629, d. 1689) m. Carlos II, King of Spain (b. 1629, d. 1666)
    • Élisabeth, Princess of France (b. 1632, d. 1656) m. Teodosio, King of Portugal (b. 1634, d. 1663)
    • Henry, Duke of Orleans (b. 1633, d. 1690) m. Isabella d’Este (b. 1635, d. 1666)
    • Nicholas, Duke of Normandy (b. 1635, d. 1703) Unmarried
    • Marguerite, Princess of France (b. 1637, d. 1664) m. Ferdinand Maria, Elector of Bavaria (b. 1636, d. 1679)
    • Anne, Princess of France (b. 1638, d. 1710) m. Sigismund IV, King of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania (b. 1640, d. 1697)
 

Liminia1

Draft of the next generation of Burgundy: (Please help with marriages here find me some and check over plausibility ty XD) From my first TL Walking on a silver line: A Valois-Bourgogne TL
Margaret of Burgundy 1487 - 1526 m. Christian II of Denmark 1481 - 1559 [1513 - 1523] {1502 - 1526}

Dorothea of Denmark 1518 - 1580 m. Otto Henry, Elector Palatine 1502 - 1559 [1556 - 1559] {1536 - 1559}​

Christina of Denmark 1520 - 1588 m. Sigismund II Augustus of Poland and Lithuania 1520 - 1572 [1548 - 1572] {1538 - 1572}​

Henri I the Fortunate of Burgundy 1489 - 1540 [1517 - 1540] m. Maria of Julich-Berg 1491 - 1543 {1509 - 1540}

Philip V the Wise of Burgundy 1506 - 1556 [1540 - 1556] m. Isabella the Kind of Portugal 1503 - 1571 {1518 - 1556}[/INDENT​
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Maria of Burgundy 1521 - 1600 needs marriage​
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Beatriz of Burgundy 1535 - 1605 needs marriage​
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Sibylle of Burgundy 1512 - 1554 m. John Frederick of Saxony 1503 - 1554 {1527 - 1554} (questionable)​

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William I the Old of Burgundy, Duke of Milan 1516 - 1592 [1535] [1556 - 1572] m. Margaret of Valois 1523 - 1574 {1555 - 1572} (questionable)​
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Saint Charles the Reformer II of Burgundy 1556 - 1631 needs marriage​

Amelia of Burgundy 1560 - 1645 needs marriage​

Emma of Burgundy 1563 - 1649 needs marriage​
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Anne of Burgundy 1515 - 1557 m. Emmanuel Philibert the Ironhead of Savoy 1528 - 1580 [1553 - 1580] {1539 - 1557} (questionable)​


Emma the Fair of Burgundy 1517 - 1586 [1556]​

Arthur, Prince of Wales 1488 - 1502 betrothed to: Katherine of Aragon 1486 - 1540 {1501 - 1502}

Margaret of England 1489 - 1541 m. Francis de Bourbon, stadholder of Boulogne, Artois and Picardy 1491 - 1545 {1506 - 1541}

Richard IV of England 1491 - 1555 [1522 - 1555] m. Katherine of Aragon 1486 - 1540 {1503 - 1540}

Anne of England 1516 - 1557 needs marriage​

Elizabeth I of England 1533 - 1603 needs marriage or not who knows​

Edward VI of England 1537 - 1600 needs marriage​

Albert III of Austria, Duke of Milan, King of Bohemia and Hungary, Holy Roman Emperor (disp. w John Zapolya for Hungary from 1526 - 1540) 1491 - 1541 [1519 - 1541] m. Eleanor of Spain 1498 - 1553 {1508 - 1541}

Maximilian II of Austria, Duke of Milan, King of Bohemia and Hungary, Holy Roman Emperor (Hungary was majority occupied by the ottomans) 1520 - 1591 [1541 - 1596] m. Barbara of Brandenburg 1527 - 1595 {1537 - 1595}​
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Isabella of Austria 1521 - 1595 needs marriage​

Anne of Austria 1535 - 1573 needs marriage​

Anne of Austria 1492 - 1535 {1508 - 1535} m. Charles I of Spain 1498 - 1555 [1498 - 1555]​

John III of Spain 1519 - 1598 [1555 - 1598] m. Maria Manuela of Portugal 1525 - 1603 {1535 - 1598}​

Can convince to add more sons and daughters maybe

Eleanor of Austria 1495 - 1553 {1520 - 1550} m. William IV of Bavaria 1493 - 1550 [1508 - 1550]​

Albert V of Bavaria 1528 - 1579 needs marriage​

Mechthild of Bavaria 1532 - 1565 {1557 - 1565} m. Philibert of Baden 1536 - 1569​

Frederick of Austria, count of Chur, 1496 - 1549 [1521 - 1549] m. Elizabeth Corvinus 1496 - 1537 {1511 - 1537}​

Charles of Chur 1515 - 1565 [1549 - 1565] need marriage​

Maybe extra daughters or sons I can be convinced

Elizabeth of Austria, 1500 - 1546 {1520 - 1535} m. Francesco II Sforza of Milan 1495 - 1535 [1521 - 1535]​
 
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