Italy with a central power victory
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The Austrians don't want the Veneto and the Ottomans don't have the naval capacity to assert themselves in Libya. They could potentially retake the Dodecanese though.
Ottomans would probably take the dedocanese, Sinai, Kuwait, and the caucasuses, they didn't think anytime about regaining Libya. They only funded the senusi to distract the Italians. More probable case is that the senusi kick the Italians out of Fezzan and create their own nation in Fezzan making Italy keep control of the coastline. Austria only wanted a few border hills and control over some mountain passages and the demilitarisation of Veneto.
Austria didn't want much more new regions. Them had already enough of their own problems with their several ethnic groups. Some border regions might be possible but not whole Venetia. And Ottomans didn't want Libya back. Dodecanesia yes but Libya wasn't their goal and hardly them had even cabacity to do that.
But Mussolini would still rise to power. But probably he can do much lesser than in OTL. Germans and Austrians are not going allow him to do much.
But Mussolini would still rise to power. But probably he can do much lesser than in OTL. Germans and Austrians are not going allow him to do much.
Austria didn't seek expansion further some possible border adjustments. Libya is pretty much as big no as Veneto. There would be surely demand of demilitarisation of Veneto but nothing else.
Is it possible that they could have taken some of the Alpine mountain passes? How about Tunisia as a colony since it is far smaller?
They already had the vast majority if the strategic passes and heights. In 1866 they went to the negotiating table with a fairly strong hand and basically ensured that, despite giving up so much valuable land, they had an ideal defensive border with Italy.
They might have a slight extension out to Monte Grappa, seeing as how it's so near the prewar border yet gave them so much trouble, but that's about it really.
Depends what happens in the rest of Italy. If defeat brings about some sort of socialist or otherwise hyper anti-clerical government, then the Veneto as the hot bed for Italian political Catholicism may be amicable to being separated from the rest of Italy.
Entente Italy probably wouldn't lost much if anything. Austrians didn't want more land and no one wasn't intrested about Italian colonies. There might be small chance that Ethiopia takes Eritrea but it should join to the war side of CPs. And any CP has not cabacities take Italian colonies if then they can't occupy Rome and it is quiet unlikely.
And if Italy joins to CPs it is too possible that on peace negotiations Germany and Austria backstab Italy and don't give that what Italy wants from France.
I also remember reading somewhere on here that (unlike Lombardy) Venetia had a significant number of Germans in it (Not a majority, but a good number.) Also, the Venetian dialect (again, from what I heard someone one here say) has some similarities to German (A quick Google search also says this). Would Venetis (even some small parts) really be as hard to control as some people say?
Italy may actually get land at the expense of the French if the Germans think the French ought to be kicked down a couple more steps. At the Austrian border it's just some minor corrections in Austrias favor, same as happened with Romania.
Tunisia had (and still has) a much larger population than Libya, which despite its larger size has significantly less arable land than Tunisia and so can't support as many people.
A reasonable assumption, although if you wanted to mix it up a little, butterflies could lead to him getting killed in action during the war, which is a potentially interesting POD but one I haven't seen much discussion of, despite the popularity of the equivalent POD for Hitler.
I think Mussolini might actually have an easier go ttl. Germany's alliance with austria might not continue given tensions with their respective eeastern clients and the fact that germany doesn't need Austria. and hed really only have tensions with AH and the ottomans
No if CPs don't occupy whole Italy and enforce balkanisation. And they hardly can do that.