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[panpiotr]

which also made the League of Nations nervous as the French Nationalists officially denied the possibility to give Camerun/ Kameron back to the Germans anytime soon, even when they would had repaid their War debts, as one of the first colonies to return.

So this is how the french regime wants to play with the League? So in this case I propose to put to the vote how the League will respond to this. If we ignore it, other countries will follow suit, because in their eyes the League will lose prestige and legitimacy, when one country simply decides to ignore this or that League's decision no matter how unpopular it may seem. Let's see if the french regime would be this tough when the League decided to block all french import and export. Comrade Stalin lasted only a week at best, while the Soviet economy is not as connected to and dependent on the world markets as the french one.

 

[CountofDooku]

So this is how the french regime wants to play with the League? So in this case I propose to put to the vote how the League will respond to this. If we ignore it, other countries will follow suit, because in their eyes the League will lose prestige and legitimacy, when one country simply decides to ignore this or that League's decision no matter how unpopular it may seem. Let's see if the french regime would be this tough when the League decided to block all french import and export. Comrade Stalin lasted only a week at best, while the Soviet economy is not as connected to and dependent on the world markets as the french one.

They claim to do so yes, but Germany has not (yet) repaid enough to get Cameroon back, so when it comes to that time and the French then deny it, I would say that's up for a vote, as governmetns can claim a lot and then don't act upon it. But what does the rest think about the matter, voting or not?

 

[panpiotr]

They claim to do so yes, but Germany has not (yet) repaid enough to get Cameroon back, so when it comes to that time and the French then deny it, I would say that's up for a vote, as governmetns can claim a lot and then don't act upon it. But what does the rest think about the matter, voting or not?

Totally agree , lets wait first, then we can always vote.

 

[CountofDooku]

With the League of Nations supporting the German rearment according to the restrictions of the newest rearment traties, the German Führer and Reichskanzler Adolf Hitler proudly proclaimed the reintroduction of conscription for the Wehrmacht to be capable to expand upon the agreed upon numbers in one of the last violation of the 1919 Treaty of Versailles, wich had been overdone and replaced by the newer, later treaties. Meanwhile the name of Iran was accepted as the officially new name for Persia by around one third of the League of Nations members nearly immedietly, with around half of them overall decided to choose for themselves if they would use the name of Persia or Iran going forward, not led the League of Nations decide so for them. If someone used the new name of Iran, or remaiend with the old Persian name however was also seen by the Iranians as a direct view of their own decision to change the name and therefor as repsect for their nation state by those using the new name, or as a disrespect from those refusing to do so.

In the Dust Bowl of the Untied States of America meanwhile the so called Black Sunday saw a severe dust storm, one of the worst in recorded American history that would have immense negative outcome for local agriculture and the overall economy, displacing around 300,000 tons of topsoil from the local prairie area in April 14. It would overall affect the citisens of several plains states and become known as the Black Blizzard to many in the region. At first hitting the Oklahoma panhandle and northwest Oklahoma in general it then moved South troughout the day, hitting Beaver, Boise City, Amarillo and other parts of Texas. The overall panhandles of Oklahoma and Texas were hit the worst. Thanks to drought, erosion, bare soil and strong winds the dust could fly freely and at high speeds that then were so devastating to the overall area. Once again the Americans hoped the League of Nations would aid them in their times of need.

British India meanwhile was devastated by the Quetta Earthquake in a region that independence fighters called part of Mohamemdan/ Muslim Pakistan, south of Afghanistan. With a magnitude of 7.7 Mw the earthquake that had it's center around 4 km southwest of Ali Jaan in Belochistan, would kill around 30,000 to 60,000 and be the deadliest earhtquake in South Asia for seventy years. A colony of the British Empire/ British Raj, the Indians had little trust in British relief and support and therefore the Indian National Congress asked the League of Nations directly for aid and support, much to the dislike of the British Government in London.

 

[CountofDooku]

Vote on aid for the Dust Bowl here!

Vote on aid for the Quetta Earthquake here!

 

[CountofDooku]

Aid for the British Raj during the Quetta Earthquake and the United States of America during the Black Sunday in the Dust Bole was once more a sign that the League of Nations would support and supply anyone to their best abilities. Meanwhile the Chinese Kuomintang and Chinese United Coalition Government and the Japanese Empire after the Tanggu Truce and other treaties recognizing the Rogue Japanese Imperial Army influence in Manchuria (Manchukuo) and Inner Mongolia (Mengjiang) alike, but the overall solution was not favored by the Chinese Government and Military, the Japanese Government and the Rogue Japanese Imperial Army alike were all not very satisfied. The Chinese disliked giving up so much control of the north of overall China they claimed authority over, the Japanese Civil Government elected in democratic, republic-like election disliked the autonomy of the Rogue Japanese Imperial Army and the Rogue Japanese Imperial Army disliked the lack of supplies, reinforcements and major industrial support, supplies and manufacturing capacities from the Japanese Home islands. As a compromise between them all the new He-Umezu Agreement was signed by the partitioning parties, which resulted in the majority of the Rogue Japanese Imperial Army Generals, Officers and Commanders returning back under more direct Japanese government control, while also the Chinese regained more civil control over the majority of Northern China again. In exchange the Japanese Empire was granted special economic rights in the region, including trade and economic production trough local industries, factories or mining, while the direct border regions, as well as heavily bandit and guerrilla infested provinces, were their more professional and modern army forces were tasked with aiding the local Chinese civil governors and military commanders to return law and order trough any means necessary against local bandits, Communist Guerrilla forces and others threats to the security and peace in Northern China, which the Soviet Union claimed before the League of Nations was threatened majorly by the Japanese Empire, not them or the Mongolian People’s Republic. Similarly the Chinese and Japanese claimed the main threat of peace and stability on norther East Asia came from the Soviet Union and the Mongolian People’s Republic, who supported and supplied the Chinese Communist Party, the Fujian People’s Government People’s Revolutionary Government of the Republic of China and other socialist and communist parties, movements and guerrilla forces.

Meanwhile the Chaco Conflict between Bolivia and Paraguay had been completely ended and both forces had begun to stop building up defensive positions and military bases in the contested Chaco area, instead they started to limit them and even dissembled a larger amount of them. At the same time in Europe the British and Germans celebrated the Anglo-German Naval Agreement in which the British government and military agreed on a naval equal of the Germans to their overall naval forces in the capacity of a total of 35% of the British own naval tonnage. While the British celebrated this as a prevention of a new naval race and an overall more stable and peaceful Europe, the German Nazi Government interpreted it as an overall view that the British Empire would rule the world and at the same time give them a free hand across Europe, especially against the East were they had plans of grand expansion into Poland and Russia, for what the Nazi German propaganda called the need for Lebensraum. While this was by no means what the British intended to archive with the Anglo-German Naval Agreement and the Anglo-German Naval Treaty, that sought to bring the German rearmament under control and in line with other disbarment, rearmament and overall military treaties of the League of Nations and it’s member states, this was not what the Nazi German Government and especially Adolf Hitler, his Nazi Government and his Admirals and Generals believed. In their eyes the fellow Germanic Anglosaxon British Empire that ruled the majority of the World had granted their Germanic homeland and mother nation from were all German people originated the right and destiny to continue the Ostsiedlung and thereby eastward colonization and conquest they had tried to archive since centuries up until the last Great War with the Fall of the Russian Empire in hopes of replacing it in Eastern Europe. So while the British attempted to prevent one of the buildups for the Great War, another major naval race, the Germans saw it as the complete opposite, an encouraging of their military, territorial and colonial ambitions across the European Continent.

 

[CountofDooku]

Nothing to vote this time, just a update of the overall world situation and what is happening for now ;D

 

[CountDVB]

I'm getting the feeling the Germans aren't getting the memo here

 

[CountofDooku]

I'm getting the feeling the Germans aren't getting the memo here

They did not back down OTL either, even when Britain and France threatened war after their invasion of Czech lands later in Poland, when they finally said; no step furhter; the Germans dared to step furhter and little true opposition came as Appeasement had shown the Western Allies were not ready for war, a sad reality that the Germans then used.

 

[CountofDooku]

While the Comintern passed a Congress in July and August of 1935, the Government of India Act passed by the British Parliament granted the Commonwealth Dominion and Federation. At the same time the Oveda Damn Burst in Piedmont, Italy killed 250 people, but the Fascist Government forbade any League of Nations aid and interference to prove they themselves were strong enough to deal with the situation, unlike many other nations. The United States of America are not as foolish, when the 1935 Labor Day hurricane, the strongest ever to make landfalls in the Upper Florida Keys of the United States of America hits as a Category 5 Storm with winds of 185 mph, killing 432 people and causing around 100 million US$ in damages. While the US Government calls the League of Nations for aid in the disaster, the Italian Empire tightens it’s grip on Abyssinia/ Ethiopia trough control of the naval sea, railway and air imports into the country. Because of this dependency, the Ethiopian Emperor Haile Selassie I signes a treaty with the Italian Empire that declares his country an Italian protectorate, changing his title to King of Greater Abyssinia/ Ethiopia, ranking him lower then Italian King and Emperor of the Italian Emperor Victor Emmanuel III, while Greater Abyssinia/ Ethiopia itself would engulf all of Italian East Africa (Italian: Africa Orientale Italiana, AOI), which it now became a part of. As a result Addis Abada itself became capital of overall 12,100,000 people, so the northern Massawa – Biscia railroad line was from Asmara over Adigra, Amba Alagi and Triredana expanded to the capital of Addis-Ababa, while a second southern line coming from Mogadishu over Goiumbu, Lugh, Dolo and Neghello was also established. Both were meant to link Italian East Africa stronger to Italy itself and the older, Addis Ababa – Diredawa – Djibuti line into French Somaliland, before cut off trough northern Italian controlled territory became more and more unused. Still it to was later expanded eastwards to Harar and the border of British Somaliland in chase of a conflict to support Italian supply liens in the area, while the northern one threatened the Anglo-Egyptian Sudan from the South. To the south the southern railroad from Addis Ababa to Neghilli was also expanded to take a turn southwards to connect the former regions of British Eastern Kenya, who had become a part of Italian Somaliland in exchange for former German, then Italian East Africa League of Nations Protectorate, which was given to the British.

But not all Abyssinian/ Ethiopians were glad with the new Italian overrule over their Kingdom and nation state, even if it granted them overall claims to Greater Abyssinia/ Greater Ethiopia across all of Eastern Africa and so some of them rose up in rebellion and resistance to Italian overlordship. While in Nazi ruled Germany the new Nuremberg Laws, removing Jews from German Citizenship efficiently and banned them from any major government and influential government position. As many called the League of Nation for this racist and exclusive behavior. As a direct answer to that, Hitler claimed that the Jews were overall not welcome in Germany, or most of Europe and the World according to the polls his government had called for after many anti-Semitic propaganda. The result of his public speech given to the German Public and the world as a whole, Adolf Hitler claimed that maybe the League of Nations should do something about it, get all the Jews out of Germany and settle them somewhere else, just not in any of the former German Colonies and League of Nations Mandates that the Germans still claimed and instead called to settle them in some former Turkish/ Ottoman Empire lands, like the British League of Nations Mandate of Transjordania/ Palestine so they would be out of Germany and Europe, or even to French Madagascar, like the Polish-French Madagascar Plan called for. If the League of Nation would do so and create a whole new nation state for people who had none, would open up a whole other problem as all those who had no nation state of their own would then call out to the League of Nations to create their own one for them, either as independent internal provinces, or independent nation states, in places given to them, or hopefully even in historical claims of territories they wanted to said their own nation states up in. Inside of China meanwhile, the Chinese Communist Party increases guerrilla activities in the central and western Chinese mountain provinces, were their support among rural farmers was much larger, then in the more urban eastern coast cities and towns who were much stronger under overall control of the United Chinese Government.

 

[marktaha]

OTL Evian.Conference - most shameful in history I can think of

 

[CountofDooku]

League of Nations Resettlements of Jews from Europe and other parts of the world into their own Nation State?

If yes, where to?

 

[CountofDooku]

OTL Evian.Conference - most shameful in history I can think of

Indeed, but the LoN here has a chance to decide something better/ quicker and come up with a much better solution then doing little to nothing on the long run until after the OTL Holocaust.

Especialy if it financially and logisticaly helps the Jewish Refugees to arrive at a safe destination far away from the Nazi regime and desptic tyranny in central Europe.

 

[panpiotr]

To be completely honest I've never expected Italy to conquer Ethiopia without a war. It seems that Mussolini and Hitler learned their lesson - it's better so far to find a non-violent solution to their problems which puts them only in a positive light at home and abroad (Italy - political subjugation of Ethiopia rather than war, Germany - expulsion and deportation of Jews with help of LON instead of extermination). Hitler and Mussolini have seen what LON has done to Stalin and USSR, so they have quickly realized that when you play your cards right with LON you can gain so much with so little effort - here Mussolini was able to redraw map of Europe and Africa using only diplomacy and Hitler was able to remilitarize Germany, get rid of Versailles Treaty and possibly regain a colony in Africa only playing diplomacy with League of Nations.

Right now Stalin must be furious seeing as other dictators were able to achieve their political goals while he was branded as a tyrant and madman by LON around the world and gained nothing. So I think that sooner rather than later we will see the same approach by Stalin and USSR in various areas of their interest.

In regard to Italy and Mussolini I must say that I am quite impressed how Mussolini is playing his cards right. Not only he gained a lot of teritorries in Europe and Africa with his political and economical position strengthened, but right now Italy's international position is much better in comparison to OTL. So right now Mussolini can play UK, France and Germany against each other and score further political and economic points. I feel that Italy may be a lot stronger and influential in comparison to OTL.

 

[CountofDooku]

To be completely honest I've never expected Italy to conquer Ethiopia without a war. It seems that Mussolini and Hitler learned their lesson - it's better so far to find a non-violent solution to their problems which puts them only in a positive light at home and abroad (Italy - political subjugation of Ethiopia rather than war, Germany - expulsion and deportation of Jews with help of LON instead of extermination). Hitler and Mussolini have seen what LON has done to Stalin and USSR, so they have quickly realized that when you play your cards right with LON you can gain so much with so little effort - here Mussolini was able to redraw map of Europe and Africa using only diplomacy and Hitler was able to remilitarize Germany, get rid of Versailles Treaty and possibly regain a colony in Africa only playing diplomacy with League of Nations.

Right now Stalin must be furious seeing as other dictators were able to achieve their political goals while he was branded as a tyrant and madman by LON around the world and gained nothing. So I think that sooner rather than later we will see the same approach by Stalin and USSR in various areas of their interest.

In regard to Italy and Mussolini I must say that I am quite impressed how Mussolini is playing his cards right. Not only he gained a lot of teritorries in Europe and Africa with his political and economical position strengthened, but right now Italy's international position is much better in comparison to OTL. So right now Mussolini can play UK, France and Germany against each other and score further political and economic points. I feel that Italy may be a lot stronger and influential in comparison to OTL.

Indeed they have learned from Soviet Example, especially as both belive the LON can be easily tricked and fooled if their self-determination and independent nations deciding out of their own "free" will are used as weapons against the very organsiation meant to protect these laws, nations and people. Ethiopia basically went the OTL Albania route with Italian pressure and heavily depending on Italy (Ethiopia here even mroe so then Albania OTL), wich in turn will give Hitler, at this time still a Mussolini fanboy quit soem idea for regaining lost German territories and by doing so boosting his support and popularity among all Germans further.

Clearly Stalin too has learned from his mistake and will act much more like OTL later with the United Nations from now on, using the organisation itself against it's members he will try to bring down by internal rebellions/ revolutions/ riots without to much direct open war and intervention. Mussoloni OTL was always a opportunist, more so then Hitler even who could be blinded by his own ideology and long-term goals. This has increased Italy's overall population, markets and industries much mroe TTL, then OTL allready while also remaining on much better terms with the British and French still, so he could position himself as the middle-man in between rivaling European powers still if needed to do so. From the current voting looks of things Beny the Moose might even be able to play himself as the savior of the European Jews and gain new citizens that way (wich in turn might poisen Italo-German relations quit a bit) later.

 

[panpiotr]

From the current voting looks of things Beny the Moose might even be able to play himself as the savior of the European Jews and gain new citizens that way (wich in turn might poisen Italo-German relations quit a bit) later.

With so many political and economical victories Beny may soon come to conclusion that Hitler and Germany should stay a junior partner to his Italian Empire forever. In his opinion there could be only one fascist strongman/leader - and taking into account all of his achievements it should be only him with Hitler as loyal student/follower. This situation could be similar to the relationship between Mao and Stalin in OTL, when Stalin in his opinion should be perceived as the father and sole leader of global communist movement. In this case Mussolini may even have a few points - 1) Italian Empire was the first fascist state in the world, 2) Mussolini is the father/ founder of a global fascist/right-wing ideology/movement 3) there would be no Hitler and national socialism without Mussolini and fascism.

 

[CountofDooku]

With so many political and economical victories Beny may soon come to conclusion that Hitler and Germany should stay a junior partner to his Italian Empire forever. In his opinion there could be only one fascist strongman/leader - and taking into account all of his achievements it should be only him with Hitler as loyal student/follower. This situation could be similar to the relationship between Mao and Stalin in OTL, when Stalin in his opinion should be perceived as the father and sole leader of global communist movement. In this case Mussolini may even have a few points - 1) Italian Empire was the first fascist state in the world, 2) Mussolini is the father/ founder of a global fascist/right-wing ideology/movement 3) there would be no Hitler and national socialism without Mussolini and fascism.

Indeed, he did so OTL as well untill the Fall of France even, despite Germanys bigger, more modern army and industries, so a Italo-German split like the OTL Chinese-Soviet one might be entirely possible TTL.

 

[CountDVB]

League of Nations Resettlements of Jews from Europe and other parts of the world into their own Nation State?

If yes, where to?

Something is wrong with the voting. I put "East Prussia" and it's not showing up there for my vote. I'm wondering if the votes are being moved around.

 

[CountofDooku]

Something is wrong with the voting. I put "East Prussia" and it's not showing up there for my vote. I'm wondering if the votes are being moved around.

That is rather strange, I hope not, beause I could not tell you why it happens, or how to fix it.

 

[panpiotr]

As we are almost in the year 1936, could you tell me what is the status of population a certain animal - that is the Thylacine or better known as Tasmanian Tiger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thylacine). In OTL the last known live animal was captured in 1930, but ITL with the League putting a lot of emphasis on nature preservation and conservation, the situation should be better, or am I wrong?