The Ancient Order of Hibernians was an international organization and was strong throughout the Anglophone world, and the Land League is probably sill going strong in the United States. I suspect that St. Patrick's Day, 1917 also saw massive protests in Irish communitie in the United States - especially in places like Boston, New York, Philly, Chicago, etc. These protests would be to bring further attention to the difficulties in Ireland, put pressure on the United States government to, in turn, put diplomatic pressure on Westminster _AND_ bring attention to labor issues in the US in the wake of the GAW.

This could well, in a really interesting way, be seen as one of the presaging events which shows just how chaotic the Root Administration is going to be in the US as well as some of the chaos of the 1920s. And the fact that it starts as an ethnic event, which has both transnational AND localized issues in mind!
 
The Ancient Order of Hibernians was an international organization and was strong throughout the Anglophone world, and the Land League is probably sill going strong in the United States. I suspect that St. Patrick's Day, 1917 also saw massive protests in Irish communitie in the United States - especially in places like Boston, New York, Philly, Chicago, etc. These protests would be to bring further attention to the difficulties in Ireland, put pressure on the United States government to, in turn, put diplomatic pressure on Westminster _AND_ bring attention to labor issues in the US in the wake of the GAW.

This could well, in a really interesting way, be seen as one of the presaging events which shows just how chaotic the Root Administration is going to be in the US as well as some of the chaos of the 1920s. And the fact that it starts as an ethnic event, which has both transnational AND localized issues in mind!
Time to call in the Orangies to restore Order.
 
Time to call in the Orangies to restore Order.
It could definitely be seen as one of the reasons you have a nativist, anti-Catholic backlash in parts of the US during this era as well (I mean, you'd probably see that anyway but this could be one of the events pointed too as part of the nativist fever dream)

Also a good chance t see our good friend Dev again who would probably be instrumental in the planning of the marches - at least in Jersey and NYC
 
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The Ancient Order of Hibernians was an international organization and was strong throughout the Anglophone world, and the Land League is probably sill going strong in the United States. I suspect that St. Patrick's Day, 1917 also saw massive protests in Irish communitie in the United States - especially in places like Boston, New York, Philly, Chicago, etc. These protests would be to bring further attention to the difficulties in Ireland, put pressure on the United States government to, in turn, put diplomatic pressure on Westminster _AND_ bring attention to labor issues in the US in the wake of the GAW.

This could well, in a really interesting way, be seen as one of the presaging events which shows just how chaotic the Root Administration is going to be in the US as well as some of the chaos of the 1920s. And the fact that it starts as an ethnic event, which has both transnational AND localized issues in mind!
This could easily be a lead-in into the Liberals' upcoming hinted-at "Massachusetts Massacre" coming up in 1918.

Out of curiosity, have the authors of any of the in-universe books been revealed? We know one of them is canonically written by Woodrow Wilson, but in particular I'm really interested in knowing who wrote Ireland Unfree.
 
Wilson should be known as a Early Confederate Historian
This could easily be a lead-in into the Liberals' upcoming hinted-at "Massachusetts Massacre" coming up in 1918.

Out of curiosity, have the authors of any of the in-universe books been revealed? We know one of them is canonically written by Woodrow Wilson, but in particular I'm really interested in knowing who wrote Ireland Unfree.
Clearly Alt!Ron Chernow wrote Titan: The Life of James Blaine (the title is too similar to his John D Rockefeller book of OTL)
I kinda also hope he wrote an Alt!Hearst one.

Michael F Holt wrote the OTL American Whig Party - which I think @KingSweden24 said was his basis of this TL's Liberal Magnum Opus The Rise of the Liberals, so I kinda hope thats the same author as well.
 
Still trying to figure out what Blaine actually did to earn the "Titan" label. He won a squeaker of an election in 1880 (those dastardly third parties struck again!) and then won big in 1884, but beating the Democrats of 1880-1904 is like playing Madden on Rookie mode.

I'm convinced his positive reputation is fueled in large part because he died early, similar to John Hay being assassinated made everyone forget that by 1898 everyone pretty much hated him.

Funny how that works now that I think of it. Blaine, Hay, and Custer all died/were assassinated in office, yet only the two Liberals have anything close to a glowing reputation historically. Custer is fairly evaluated.
 
Still trying to figure out what Blaine actually did to earn the "Titan" label. He won a squeaker of an election in 1880 (those dastardly third parties struck again!) and then won big in 1884, but beating the Democrats of 1880-1904 is like playing Madden on Rookie mode.

I'm convinced his positive reputation is fueled in large part because he died early, similar to John Hay being assassinated made everyone forget that by 1898 everyone pretty much hated him.

Funny how that works now that I think of it. Blaine, Hay, and Custer all died/were assassinated in office, yet only the two Liberals have anything close to a glowing reputation historically. Custer is fairly evaluated.

Also worth considering that Blaine was meant to live through both his two terms and have a post Presidency. At least a couple of posts in the first thread say that. I'll have to find them again....

Blaine is the first Liberal President, and kinda introduced a whole new party system so the title 'Titan' does fit to a degree...

I find Hay outside of being President more interesting than him being President.

Custer...meh!
 
El Jefe de Jefes: Luis Napoleon Morones' Mexico
"...disorganized.

Mexican historians generally agree, even ones sympathetic to the need to impose some kind of postwar stability on the fractious polity, that Reyes was by any definition an authoritarian even if he toed the line of being an outright dictator. Reyismo was in many ways not just a personality cult around the totemic identity of Mexico City's strongman Prime Minister but also the revenge of the European-descended bourgeoisie against three separate factions - the conservative elites who had steered Mexico into war to satisfy their hatred of the United States, the peasantry who had turned much of the countryside into a war zone in the name of Zapatismo, and organized labor, which steeped in proto-syndicalism had destabilized the country first in its program under the cover of the election of Madero and then in colluding in his overthrow when he proved insufficient in sharing their revolutionary zeal. Latin America, from its early years in the anti-Spanish wars of independence, had often been split into opposing camps of conservatives and liberals, generally referred to as Blancos and Colorados respectively regardless of country. Reyismo was undoubtedly a triumph of Mexico's version of the Colorados, the payback of the country's liberal middle and upper-middle urban professional and educated classes who represented the Empire's true base of support but had seen their influence gradually wane over the prior thirty years as Maximilian came to depend on landed oligarchs and the clerical conservatives in the wake of the Revolt of the Caudillos after the initial reformist zeal of his first two decades in power. It was these conservative-liberal Mexicans, often with German, Hungarian or Slavic surnames and first-or-second generation in the country, who attended state schools in Mexico City or Guadalajara and had voted lockstep for the Bloc Independiente and been most skeptical of war with the United States, which they were at most ambivalent towards (and there were quite a few genuine Amerophiles in Reyes' orbit), who now were ascendant, and they were ready to dole out payback to those they were most hostile towards - the agrarian elite, the peasantry, and syndicalists.

It helped, of course, that syndicalism in Mexico was absolutely dead two years after the Revolt of the Red Battalions, and it was there that a new labor movement under men like Morones was able to quickly fill the vacuum starting in the spring of 1917 as the Mexican economy exited the extreme shakiness and staggering unemployment of 1916 to some form of cautious stability. Mainstream labor had, since the 1890s, been associated with the Confederacion Imperial de Trabajadores, which was a labor confederation only on paper. Membership in CIT was mandatory for every union in order to be legalized but it was, in Morones' own words, "a hollow farce" that existed mostly as a way for well-connected bosses to pass on information on restive laborists to the authorities and create a panacea of a claim on the idea that the Empire was in any way sympathetic to labor's concerns. That all said, the CIT did serve a useful purpose in that as it was heavily decentralized but also had been entirely boycotted by the now-annihilated syndicalist movement, the factions that existed to the right of the Red Battalions but well of the left of the loyal sheep that the Chapultepec seemed to expect unions to be, especially in the wake of the war.

This was part of the context of Morones' sudden and rapid emergence as the leader of not only the SME [1] but a strengthened "New Left" in Mexico at only the age of 27. Having denounced the COM-CGTM agglomeration (despite having briefly been a member in 1913), Morones represented the pragmatic but nonetheless democratic socialist tendency within the CIT, which sought not just a facsimile of a labor umbrella organization but an actual one, and thus would need to take over the CIT from the inside. This was done in two ways - the first was through the formation of the Grupo Izquierda Democratica, or Democratic Left Group, within the CIT on March 12, 1917 at an SME congress in Mexico City, and the second was through the pledging of support of the GID for the war against Zapata in the South.

Morones, it turned out, sensed something in Reyes - whom he would only meet a handful of times in person before the latter's death - that other left-wing thought leaders did not, perhaps because Morones famously eschewed the leftist tendency for overthinking dogma and ideology and instead pursued cold, hard compromises that delivered quick results no matter how emotionally unsatisfying. The simple fact was that Reyes' new Convergencia had won the 1916 elections via a combination of fraud at the margins but primarily through one wing of opposition having disqualified itself through the Red Battalions and the other through the war itself; the left and right of Mexican politics, with smaller but more fiercely committed supporters, were essentially unable to take on his coalition of the broad but brittle middle. In trying to manage his big tent, Reyes needed to be all things to all people, and already he was making a show of his Catholic devotion to conservatives while pledging to keep the most popular of Madero's reforms to radicals.

It was clear then that labor had an opportunity to ingratiate itself to Reyes, by making the GID a "congress within CIT" rather than a rival, and by taking out a position that urban bourgeoisie could appreciate in staunchly opposing Zapata. Reyes, for his part, could use the help - while Zapata had been driven out of Oaxaca, he still could threaten the Tehuantepec from his bases in Chiapas and Tabasco, and his army increasingly including Mayan rebels from not only the Yucatan but what was once considered Guatemala. The threat of a peasant uprising across the lower Bajio was thus gone, but in its place an expensive and unpopular counter-insurgency war in one of the most politically chaotic places on the continent. For Reyes, then, it was good to have the growing tides of reformist socialists within the CIT left over from the failure of the Red Battalions in his corner rather than preaching class solidarity with the paisanos, but this "New Left" of Morones would before long have a price..."

- El Jefe de Jefes: Luis Napoleon Morones' Mexico

[1] Mexican Electricians' Syndicate, which Morones helped found
 
......when you remember that this timeline is technically about an alternate Mexico.
I mean, it has really become a side-character in this TL, when its meant to be the main character, if not focus of the TL.

And it also makes you look up people you have never heard of before.

 
This lead to the question, what notable people iOTL has the author made *least* notable iTTL?

Are there any OTL presidents that wouldn't even be Wikipedia Notable iTTL? (This includes members of Congress, anyone who made General/Admiral, cabinet members, etc.) For example, Chester A. Arthur? (And yes, being owner of a major New York Newspaper as Teddy Roosevelt was would make them Wikinotable).
 
The Ancient Order of Hibernians was an international organization and was strong throughout the Anglophone world, and the Land League is probably sill going strong in the United States. I suspect that St. Patrick's Day, 1917 also saw massive protests in Irish communitie in the United States - especially in places like Boston, New York, Philly, Chicago, etc. These protests would be to bring further attention to the difficulties in Ireland, put pressure on the United States government to, in turn, put diplomatic pressure on Westminster _AND_ bring attention to labor issues in the US in the wake of the GAW.

This could well, in a really interesting way, be seen as one of the presaging events which shows just how chaotic the Root Administration is going to be in the US as well as some of the chaos of the 1920s. And the fact that it starts as an ethnic event, which has both transnational AND localized issues in mind!
This is actually a really good point/idea I’m going to steal, I hadn’t even thought of that.
This could easily be a lead-in into the Liberals' upcoming hinted-at "Massachusetts Massacre" coming up in 1918.

Out of curiosity, have the authors of any of the in-universe books been revealed? We know one of them is canonically written by Woodrow Wilson, but in particular I'm really interested in knowing who wrote Ireland Unfree.
What if Padriag Pearse wrote Ireland Unfree? It is his Easter Rising address I lifted the title from after all
Clearly Alt!Ron Chernow wrote Titan: The Life of James Blaine (the title is too similar to his John D Rockefeller book of OTL)
I kinda also hope he wrote an Alt!Hearst one.

Michael F Holt wrote the OTL American Whig Party - which I think @KingSweden24 said was his basis of this TL's Liberal Magnum Opus The Rise of the Liberals, so I kinda hope thats the same author as well.
Chernow’s boner for Rockefeller and guys line Hamilton would probably make his authorship of a Blaine biography fairly likely
Still trying to figure out what Blaine actually did to earn the "Titan" label. He won a squeaker of an election in 1880 (those dastardly third parties struck again!) and then won big in 1884, but beating the Democrats of 1880-1904 is like playing Madden on Rookie mode.

I'm convinced his positive reputation is fueled in large part because he died early, similar to John Hay being assassinated made everyone forget that by 1898 everyone pretty much hated him.

Funny how that works now that I think of it. Blaine, Hay, and Custer all died/were assassinated in office, yet only the two Liberals have anything close to a glowing reputation historically. Custer is fairly evaluated.
Also worth considering that Blaine was meant to live through both his two terms and have a post Presidency. At least a couple of posts in the first thread say that. I'll have to find them again....

Blaine is the first Liberal President, and kinda introduced a whole new party system so the title 'Titan' does fit to a degree...

I find Hay outside of being President more interesting than him being President.

Custer...meh!
Dying definitely helps his case, but he’s basically the Jackson or Clay (or Lincoln to an extent) of his time - through his efforts he launched a new political party and paradigm

Hay and even more so Custer were more accomplished before their Presidencies than in them, so that’s probably a factor in how they’re remembered. Custer had a short enough one in particular that he’s probably remembered as a war hero and author first.
How common in this world are alternate histories where Salmon P. Chase is a more successful President?
That’d be a pretty good hook - and is an immediate butterfly to getting rid of the Liberals!

(Such TTLs would probably have a “Republicans are left wing, Democrats right wing” resolution like TL191, too, which denizens of the world would find highly unusual)
......when you remember that this timeline is technically about an alternate Mexico.
I mean, it has really become a side-character in this TL, when its meant to be the main character, if not focus of the TL.

And it also makes you look up people you have never heard of before.

Yeah there’s definitely been more than a little drift in focus as the years go by related to Mexico
My favorite part of this TL is learning about people I only had a passing knowledge of (at best).
Morones might be our most obscure character yet!
This lead to the question, what notable people iOTL has the author made *least* notable iTTL?

Are there any OTL presidents that wouldn't even be Wikipedia Notable iTTL? (This includes members of Congress, anyone who made General/Admiral, cabinet members, etc.) For example, Chester A. Arthur? (And yes, being owner of a major New York Newspaper as Teddy Roosevelt was would make them Wikinotable).
William McKinley remaining an obscure Canton lawyer has to take the cake, no?
 
Are there any OTL presidents that wouldn't even be Wikipedia Notable iTTL? (This includes members of Congress, anyone who made General/Admiral, cabinet members, etc.) For example, Chester A. Arthur? (And yes, being owner of a major New York Newspaper as Teddy Roosevelt was would make them Wikinotable).
FDR might also be a Wikinotable ttl due to battle of Hilton Head.
 
FDR might also be a Wikinotable ttl due to battle of Hilton Head.
I believe FDR was an admiral. If he wasn't but is viewed as having had a significant role in the battle anyway as a Captain of the ship in (as far as we know) the most important battle for the US Navy in the history of the US iTTL, then he probably would be counted as Wikinotable.
 
This is actually a really good point/idea I’m going to steal, I hadn’t even thought of that.

What if Padriag Pearse wrote Ireland Unfree? It is his Easter Rising address I lifted the title from after all

Chernow’s boner for Rockefeller and guys line Hamilton would probably make his authorship of a Blaine biography fairly likely


Dying definitely helps his case, but he’s basically the Jackson or Clay (or Lincoln to an extent) of his time - through his efforts he launched a new political party and paradigm

Hay and even more so Custer were more accomplished before their Presidencies than in them, so that’s probably a factor in how they’re remembered. Custer had a short enough one in particular that he’s probably remembered as a war hero and author first.

That’d be a pretty good hook - and is an immediate butterfly to getting rid of the Liberals!

(Such TTLs would probably have a “Republicans are left wing, Democrats right wing” resolution like TL191, too, which denizens of the world would find highly unusual)

Yeah there’s definitely been more than a little drift in focus as the years go by related to Mexico

Morones might be our most obscure character yet!

William McKinley remaining an obscure Canton lawyer has to take the cake, no?
If McKinley never ran for Congress (or lost!) , then not wikinotable....
 
I'm convinced his positive reputation is fueled in large part because he died early
There is an infinite amount of historical figures to whom this applies.
And yes, being owner of a major New York Newspaper as Teddy Roosevelt was would make them Wikinotable
William McKinley remaining an obscure Canton lawyer has to take the cake, no?
He was an NYC mayor too IIRC, so even more reason for him to be wikinotable. And his book on the Comfederacy probably means Wilson is also probably wikinotable as historian of note. Arthur depends on if he was still Collector of the Port of New York.
If McKinley never ran for Congress (or lost!) , then not wikinotable....
He did run, but lost to then-future Speaker Levi Lamborn. He is probably mentioned in the wiki page for the 1876 US House elections, as the failed Republican and/or Liberal nominee in Ohio's 17th(?) Congressional district, but likely has no wiki page of his own.
 
There is an infinite amount of historical figures to whom this applies.


He was an NYC mayor too IIRC, so even more reason for him to be wikinotable. And his book on the Comfederacy probably means Wilson is also probably wikinotable as historian of note. Arthur depends on if he was still Collector of the Port of New York.

He did run, but lost to then-future Speaker Levi Lamborn. He is probably mentioned in the wiki page for the 1876 US House elections, as the failed Republican and/or Liberal nominee in Ohio's 17th(?) Congressional district, but likely has no wiki page of his own.
My thoughts exactly
 
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