Are there any other ethnic groups that are very dispersed but might congregate if offered a nation-state? The Gypsies perhaps? The Zoroastrians? Arab Christians? (was that Israel's plan for Lebanon?)
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Are there any other ethnic groups that are very dispersed but might congregate if offered a nation-state? The Gypsies perhaps? The Zoroastrians? Arab Christians? (was that Israel's plan for Lebanon?)
Their are less than half a million Zoroastrians in the world, with the plurality living in India.
The Roma could, given their population is somewhere between 5-12 million.
Incidentally 'Gypsy' is a derogatory term.
In regard to my post?
There are +10 million Arab Christians in Egypt and the Levant, and that's after decades of heavy emigration. If they all moved to say Lebanon post WW2 they may well out-gun Israel as the Middle East's premier military and economic power.
There would also seem to be enough Gypsies in Eastern Europe to justify a smallish country: several millions at the least, and heavily persecuted wherever they live. A Gypsy homeland post-WW2 would today have a population on par with the smaller Balkan countries.
edit -- I don't think Gypsy is necessarily derogatory, although it is a misnomer. No more insulting than calling Native Americans "Indians" I'd say: an honest historical error that stuck.
Problem is, I'm pretty sure Arab Christians are usually divided into smaller ethnicities and nationalities. Not to mention different denominations.
As far as Roma go, the idea has been discussed on the board and the consensus is that it would be very hard to implement and probably the most fair way would be to allow them some sort of flexible citizenship as they travel from country to country.
As far as Roma go, the idea has been discussed on the board and the consensus is that it would be very hard to implement and probably the most fair way would be to allow them some sort of flexible citizenship as they travel from country to country.
Cuāuhtemōc
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I'm going to throw a bone and say there might be a very extremely small window of opportunity for an independent Assyrian state around northern Iraq, especially if it's propped up by the British. Or if you really want to balkanize more of the Middle East...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mandate_of_Syria.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mandate_of_Syria.png
Agreed it'd be hard to get them to concentrate willingly, but if there's say a wave of islamic revolutions in the Arab world (either in some past alternate timeline or in a real future) they may be forced into it.
The Roma themselves consider it derogatory, and it's usually used in a negative way.
Cuāuhtemōc
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What's going to stop them from immigrating to Europe or the Americas? A lot of the Christian population in the Middle East had enough coin to afford to move out in the first place. It sort of helped a large part of the urban middle class in many countries were Christian.
For some reason, Kurdistan seems like the most similar state to Israel, though not that much because the Kurds aren't in that big of a diaspora since they live pretty close to their ancestral homes.
Were there any other places that the great powers really did discuss about granting a homeland to, in OTL?
Were there any other places that the great powers really did discuss about granting a homeland to, in OTL?
Cuāuhtemōc
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The Assyrians tried pleading for an independent state in northern Iraq during the negotiations of the Paris Peace Conference. The British had promised to support independence of an Assyrian state in exchange for Assyrian military support against the Ottomans. It was because of the Assyrians in OTL that the British secured control of Mosul from the Turks.
The British were very adamant on dividing Turkey up further so they betrayed them.
The British were very adamant on dividing Turkey up further so they betrayed them.
yourworstnightmare
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Not to mention that the Democratic Republic of Armenia didn't even try to take control of the territory awarded to them, since they lacked capacity to do so.
Just how many peoples tried to get independent at the Paris Peace Conference? Looks like the Assyrians, Kurds, and Vietnamese all did so.
Cook
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Any decent book covering the deliberations at the Paris Peace Conference covers them. When the British created the Kingdom of Iraq out of their mandated territory in Mesopotamia the northern region of Mosul was not initially included. Had it remained separate it would have become a Kurdish majority country.
Warsie
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apparently there is a resurgence of zoroasterianism in iran with people deconverting from islam to that belief system
Don Grey
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An armenia was conqoured by the russians after the russians collapesed they declared independence then went to war with the newly forming republic of turkey lost and then was conqoured byt the soviets.
Actualy it is a post gulf war phenominon because during the cold war the only ones fighting for "independence" were the pkk and they were a soviet proxy.
Vast majority of kurds were nomads at the time the people living in urban areas were turks turcokmans assyrians arabs and armenians.
Whats wrong with you.
Actualy they did. But the area they wanted was out of there compacity they failed misarably at trying to get it.